<nettime> Empire: pdf and ebook: is there much difference? [2x]

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   Re: <nettime> empire pdf (pdf empire)                                           
     "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com>                                           

   Re: <nettime> empire pdf (pdf empire)                                           
     Laurent Oget <loget@zvolve.com>                                                 



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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:23:52 -0400
From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> empire pdf (pdf empire)

At 11:32 AM -0400 on 8/1/01, Laurent Oget wrote:


> It is an  ENCRYPTED PDF document


No, once again, (and in a lower tone of voice :-)), the document in
question, a PDF version of "Empire", was just a PDF document.

If you have a PDF reader, and, like I said, there are *other* pdf readers
out there besides Adobe's, even in open-source form, and free-as-in-beer or
free-as-in-speech, I expect, and, if you want, you can read it withh one of
those.

In fact, someone *here* just converted it to text, right? I'm not a
gambling man, bit I would bet, if I were, that *they* converted it without
recourse to Adobe software.


Again, the current cryptographer-in-jail flap is about the *e-book*
software, that Adobe has put out, which is different from PDF.

Same thing, but different. Apples and Oranges, or whatever.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,
RAH

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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 01:43:47 -0400
From: Laurent Oget <loget@zvolve.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> empire pdf (pdf empire)

On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 11:23:52PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> At 11:32 AM -0400 on 8/1/01, Laurent Oget wrote:
> 
> 
> > It is an  ENCRYPTED PDF document
> 
> 
> No, once again, (and in a lower tone of voice :-)), the document in
> question, a PDF version of "Empire", was just a PDF document.
>

whose 'file info' is, as the original poster mentioned:

                            Security Method: Acrobat Standard Security
                              User Password: No
                            Master Password: Yes
                                   Printing: Not Allowed   
              Content Copying or Extraction: Not Allowed
         Authoring Comments and Form Fields: Not Allowed
              Form Field-Fill-in or Signing: Not Allowed
              Content Accessibility Enabled: Not Allowed
                          Document Assembly: Not Allowed
                           Encryption Level: 40-bit RC4 (Acrobat 3.x, 4.x)

 
> If you have a PDF reader, and, like I said, there are *other* pdf readers
> out there besides Adobe's, even in open-source form, and free-as-in-beer or
> free-as-in-speech, I expect, and, if you want, you can read it withh one of
> those.
> 
> In fact, someone *here* just converted it to text, right? I'm not a
> gambling man, bit I would bet, if I were, that *they* converted it without
> recourse to Adobe software.
>

sebastian did.  if you  read his mail,  which mention a  decrypted PDF
version at http://excsess4all.com, you  might suspect that he used the
pdf password recovery software from elcomsoft.
 
> 
> Again, the current cryptographer-in-jail flap is about the *e-book*
> software, that Adobe has put out, which is different from PDF.
> 

so you think. adobe did not come up with two different ways to de-free text.

> Same thing, but different. Apples and Oranges, or whatever.
>

be it an apple  or an orange that you put in  the adobe steel box, you
won't be able to eat it.


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